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Starting with the next version of the science application, we will include an additional test step. We will first release new app versions as test applications.

Here\'s what you need to do if you want to help test applications:


  • Go to malariacontrol.net
  • Choose \'your account\'
  • Log in
  • Click on malariacontrol.net preferences \'View or Edit\'
  • Click on \'Edit malariacontrol.net preferences\'
  • Choose \'yes\' for \'Run test application\'
  • Click on \'Update preferences\'



Here\'s a list of points that you should consider before signing up:


  • The applications may have high error rates
  • The workunits will typically have short deadlines
  • Uploaded files may be several 100kB in size for some test wus
  • Credit will be added to your project account
  • Since there are few beta-workunits, you will still be more likely to get the usual workunits.



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I have some questions :
- What OS will be supported by the test version of the science application ?
- Is there checkpointing and feedback from the test version about progress ?
- Do you need a core client with a version greater or equal x.xx ?
- Do you make use of the BOINC\'s wrapper ?

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In the beginning the test version will only be available for the malariacontrol application.
Later there will be a test application for the mapping application, which means
that we will make use of the BOINC wrapper and hence there will be neither checkpointing nor progress feedback.
Test applications will be available for all, or a subset, of the currently supported OSs. We hope to obtain a good representation of the core client versions from this testing. If we find that the test versions only support specific core clients others will simply get no test workunits.

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Starting with the next version of the science application, we will include an additional test step. We will first release new app versions as test applications.

Here\'s what you need to do if you want to help test applications:

  • Go to malariacontrol.net
  • Choose \'your account\'
  • Log in
  • Click on malariacontrol.net preferences \'View or Edit\'
  • Click on \'Edit malariacontrol.net preferences\'
  • Choose \'yes\' for \'Run test application\'
  • Click on \'Update preferences\'



Here\'s a list of points that you should consider before signing up:


  • The applications may have high error rates
  • The workunits will typically have short deadlines
  • Uploaded files may be several 100kB in size for some test wus
  • Credit will be added to your project account
  • Since there are few beta-workunits, you will still be more likely to get the usual workunits.



Thanks
Alain



Is there a way to run test apps only on either school, home or work assigned computers?

I have some remote computers, so can\'t run test apps unless I can isolate the remote computers.

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Starting with the next version of the science application, we will include an additional test step. We will first release new app versions as test applications.

Here\'s what you need to do if you want to help test applications:

  • Go to malariacontrol.net
  • Choose \'your account\'
  • Log in
  • Click on malariacontrol.net preferences \'View or Edit\'
  • Click on \'Edit malariacontrol.net preferences\'
  • Choose \'yes\' for \'Run test application\'
  • Click on \'Update preferences\'



Here\'s a list of points that you should consider before signing up:


  • The applications may have high error rates
  • The workunits will typically have short deadlines
  • Uploaded files may be several 100kB in size for some test wus
  • Credit will be added to your project account
  • Since there are few beta-workunits, you will still be more likely to get the usual workunits.



Thanks
Alain



Is there a way to run test apps only on either school, home or work assigned computers?

I have some remote computers, so can\'t run test apps unless I can isolate the remote computers.


It should be possible to set the test option for a subset of your computers by editing \'Test project preferences\', allthough we haven\'t tested this yet.
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Is there a distinctive naming scheme for the test WUs?
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Is there a distinctive naming scheme for the test WUs?


I assume this is what you mean: https://malariacontrol.net/apps.php

\'malariacontrol.net test version\' is what it should come through as.
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Thanks, Robbie, very much. :)

So the app version will be 5.47 - which will appear when BoincView displays the \"Non user friendly\" name.

I thought there might also be something distinctive about the WU names, like \"wu_test_23_...\" or some such, but checking for the app name is a lot smarter. :oops:

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I thought there might also be something distinctive about the WU names, like \"wu_test_23_...\" or some such, but checking for the app name is a lot smarter. :oops:


Unless someone beats me to it, when I get my first ones through I\'ll let you know the WU names. :]
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I am quite willing to help out on testing, it\'s just that I only have one machine and am limited in hardware. So I\'d have the following questions:

1) If there is no checkpointing, how long will a wu take compared to the usual wus? (I would like to avoid an ever newly starting wu, when swaps between projects occur)
2) if a wu errors out, will we still get credit for it?
3) Is there a minimum amount of ram needed?
4) Is there a system implemented that stops the download of wus I could not possibly finish before the deadline?

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Unless someone beats me to it, when I get my first ones through I\'ll let you know the WU names. :]


Done.

See wu 1914103

malariacontrol.net test application shows as malariacontrolBeta 5.47 in my BOINCview log where the regular work shows just as malariacontrol 5.45

I Krunched through 8 of them some 8 hours ago, taking a whooping 15 to 19 seconds each.

6124772 1914112 3 Apr 2007 15:01:59 UTC 3 Apr 2007 15:03:39 UTC Over Success Done 19.64 0.04 0.04
6124768 1914111 3 Apr 2007 15:05:37 UTC 3 Apr 2007 16:07:12 UTC Over Success Done 16.00 0.03 0.03
6124761 1914109 3 Apr 2007 15:05:00 UTC 3 Apr 2007 15:06:14 UTC Over Success Done 15.77 0.03 0.03
6124759 1914108 3 Apr 2007 15:06:14 UTC 3 Apr 2007 16:07:12 UTC Over Success Done 19.70 0.04 0.04
6124756 1914107 3 Apr 2007 15:00:38 UTC 3 Apr 2007 15:02:49 UTC Over Success Done 15.94 0.03 0.03
6124754 1914106 3 Apr 2007 15:03:39 UTC 3 Apr 2007 15:05:00 UTC Over Success Done 19.63 0.03 0.03
6124748 1914104 3 Apr 2007 15:04:19 UTC 3 Apr 2007 15:05:37 UTC Over Success Done 19.72 0.04 0.04
6124745 1914103 3 Apr 2007 15:02:49 UTC 3 Apr 2007 15:04:19 UTC Over Success Done 15.98 0.03 0.03

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I also only got these on my Home Venue hosts which is the one I set and did not see any appear on my other venue hosts.

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I am quite willing to help out on testing, it\'s just that I only have one machine and am limited in hardware. So I\'d have the following questions:

1) If there is no checkpointing, how long will a wu take compared to the usual wus? (I would like to avoid an ever newly starting wu, when swaps between projects occur)
The current test application (malariacontrolBeta) does do checkpointing. The second application (mappredictor) doesn\'t have checkpointing but the workunits won\'t take more than 20 minutes.
2) if a wu errors out, will we still get credit for it?
No.
3) Is there a minimum amount of ram needed?
No. If this should be the case, we will announce it.
4) Is there a system implemented that stops the download of wus I could not possibly finish before the deadline?
BOINC does not send you more workunits than you can cope with, according to the performance of your computer, the deadline of the workunits and your engagement in other projects.


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Starting with the next version of the science application, we will include an additional test step. We will first release new app versions as test applications.

Here\'s what you need to do if you want to help test applications:

  • Go to malariacontrol.net
  • Choose \'your account\'
  • Log in
  • Click on malariacontrol.net preferences \'View or Edit\'
  • Click on \'Edit malariacontrol.net preferences\'
  • Choose \'yes\' for \'Run test application\'
  • Click on \'Update preferences\'



Here\'s a list of points that you should consider before signing up:


  • The applications may have high error rates
  • The workunits will typically have short deadlines
  • Uploaded files may be several 100kB in size for some test wus
  • Credit will be added to your project account
  • Since there are few beta-workunits, you will still be more likely to get the usual workunits.



Thanks
Alain



Just did.... ;-)
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Can I use the graphics? I get an error after use the graphic button.
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I just completed a 5.47 one on my Linux box with no problems.

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Can I use the graphics? I get an error after use the graphic button.
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The graphics indeed seem to crash the application. We\'ll provide a fix for this next week.

-Edit:

Two image files were lost during the version update. The graphics now work. You may have to reset the project if your client already downloaded the malariacontrol test application.
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I just completed a 5.47 one on my Linux box with no problems.


Me too. No (obvious) errors.

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@ Alain, Nicolas
According to you, how is running the 5.47 ?
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@ Alain, Nicolas
According to you, how is running the 5.47 ?


Not too bad, but it needs a bit more work. We\'ll publish 5.48 as test soon.
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Not too bad, but it needs a bit more work. We\'ll publish 5.48 as test soon.
Nick


Yesterday a 5.48 unit came along and all seemed to go well.
Did not have the oppertunity to start up the screensaver, when I had a look at the work tab it was already crunched and ready to report.

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@ Alain, Nicolas
According to you, how is running the 5.47 ?


Not too bad, but it needs a bit more work. We\'ll publish 5.48 as test soon.
Nick

Better now ?
(it\'s running fine on my machines :))
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Just received the first 5.50, an will need some
more than 1h for it so if checkpoints are still an issue,
it is important to \"leave apps in memory while preempted\"

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I\'ve been running test apps and I noticed the server is ignoring the general preferences and handing out test workunits with a deadline of 25 hours from the time you download them. I\'m on dial-up and have my preferences set to contact the server every 2 days.

Fortunately, the 2 day queue is just a precaution in case my small town ISP goes offline for a day or two. I manually have the machines report in once or twice a day, but I\'m having to pay a lot more attention to when they report in.

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I just returned to the project after a period of absence. These test work units, are they supposed to be in constant supply, or just intermittently? I enabled the option to run test work, but received none up to now.
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I haven\'t seen any for a while either..no problem.

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...are they supposed to be in constant supply, or just intermittently?

To answer your question, they are intermittent and in small quantities.

I\'ve had 120 test \'malariacontrolBeta 5.4X\' between 4-11 and 4-25 plus 720 regular \'malariacontrol 5.45\' across the same hosts.

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I recently received a bunch of WU starting with opt_
These are set at high priority.
They have a relatively short report by date.
My computer is running them, however no progress is being made on these.

Is this expected? Should I abort these work units or let them run thier duration?

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My computer is running them, however no progress is being made on these.

That\'s a side effect of the wrapper that is used. The application runs through the wrapper and therefore doesn\'t directly \'talk\' to BOINC so it can\'t report the progress it is making. The tasks are running though, just let them be and finish.
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My computer is running them, however no progress is being made on these.

That\'s a side effect of the wrapper that is used. The application runs through the wrapper and therefore doesn\'t directly \'talk\' to BOINC so it can\'t report the progress it is making. The tasks are running though, just let them be and finish.

Yep, Jord has it right. This application stays at 0% progress until the wu is complete then it jumps to 100%. The other side effect is that if you stop BOINC for any reason while the wu is running the wu restarts at 0% when you restart BOINC. Hence I do not run test apps on my laptop that is stopped twice a day (to / from work).

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Hi
Having a bit of trouble with these opt. jobs.
Some go through OK eg.opt 22
But others never complete eg opt 11
Two others have completed that \'opt 11\' with 15/18 credits pending which should take about an hour on the computer,gave it 2 hours then aborted.
Both started with a completion time of.00.09.38 which I guess is irrelevant, the progress meter staying at 00pc makes it awkward to know how to proceed.
Any ideas pls.
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My computer is running them, however no progress is being made on these.

That\'s a side effect of the wrapper that is used. The application runs through the wrapper and therefore doesn\'t directly \'talk\' to BOINC so it can\'t report the progress it is making. The tasks are running though, just let them be and finish.

Yep, Jord has it right. This application stays at 0% progress until the wu is complete then it jumps to 100%. The other side effect is that if you stop BOINC for any reason while the wu is running the wu restarts at 0% when you restart BOINC. Hence I do not run test apps on my laptop that is stopped twice a day (to / from work).
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Think sorter commutes and just let it run 8-)))
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I see a new 5.53 test application. What is up with that? Were there problems with the version 5.52 test application?

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I see a new 5.53 test application. What is up with that? Were there problems with the version 5.52 test application?
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There was nothing wrong with 5.52. What happened is that the addition of new features to the science application (related to models of the decay of acquired immunity) was given higher priority than the preparation of input data to make use of the features added in 5.52 (related to heterogeneity in simulated transmission intensities). Some parameters for these workunits had to be estimated from data outside the simulation model, and 5.52 was tested using only crude estimates for these parameters.
Input data for both types of models is now ready, and the tests of 5.53 are looking ok so far. That means we\'ll soon update the application version from 5.51 to 5.53.
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I'm seeing the Test Version 6.15 sometimes create false "CPU time" values, thus claiming insane credit (actual runtimes ~15m to 2h, reported upto 100h) and massively increasing Duration Correction factor (from 0.x to like 200!).

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Result 44672492
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Odd enough, only appears to happen on one of my hosts (Host 252).
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I'm seeing the Test Version 6.15 sometimes create false "CPU time" values, thus claiming insane credit (actual runtimes ~15m to 2h, reported upto 100h) and massively increasing Duration Correction factor (from 0.x to like 200!).

Examples :
Result 44672492
Result 44682377

Odd enough, only appears to happen on one of my hosts (Host 252).


https://malariacontrol.net/forum_thread.php?id=858 says to abort all 6.15 units and move on to the 6.16 ones. I think for the very reason you are having.
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https://malariacontrol.net/forum_thread.php?id=858 says to abort all 6.15 units and move on to the 6.16 ones. I think for the very reason you are having.


Hmm, these guys are talking about Windows 6.15 only, while my Host is running Linux.
Also, my other Linux machines still appear to download 6.15 work even today, hence I assume the Linux 6.15 is still the current, valid version?
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https://malariacontrol.net/forum_thread.php?id=858 says to abort all 6.15 units and move on to the 6.16 ones. I think for the very reason you are having.


Hmm, these guys are talking about Windows 6.15 only, while my Host is running Linux.
Also, my other Linux machines still appear to download 6.15 work even today, hence I assume the Linux 6.15 is still the current, valid version?

I would have thought that by now if there was a change in app version for linux that BOINC would have automatically be running it by now, so I think you are right.

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https://malariacontrol.net/forum_thread.php?id=858 says to abort all 6.15 units and move on to the 6.16 ones. I think for the very reason you are having.


Hmm, these guys are talking about Windows 6.15 only, while my Host is running Linux.
Also, my other Linux machines still appear to download 6.15 work even today, hence I assume the Linux 6.15 is still the current, valid version?


Did not think of that, hopefully you are correct!
I have pm'd someone that should be able to find out, I will let you know what he says.
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Not sure if this is pointing towards a problem with the Linux app or the WU, but I've just been granted 0 credit for the only successful task from WU 16322723. 2 of the errors which invalidated the WU were "Maximum disk usage exceeded" on Linux systems which have a good completion record.
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HI.

I was glad to help with this, but I'm discontinuing as I am averaging 2 credits per 1K seconds. Sorry but that is beyond funny! I expected low credit but thats laughable.

Best of luck, I'll run out the WU's I have.

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Not sure if this is pointing towards a problem with the Linux app or the WU, but I've just been granted 0 credit for the only successful task from WU 16322723. 2 of the errors which invalidated the WU were "Maximum disk usage exceeded" on Linux systems which have a good completion record.

It's that pesky "Too many errors" that's to blame. :) It's invalidated what looks to be the only valid result for this wu.

This wu looks to have been a v6.15 one, but has been modified to v6.16 and handed to both win and linux systems. The combination of aborts, failures and "no reply"'s has driven it into the "too many errors" range...

The v6.15 + win is an expected failure, but you may be right in that v6.15 + linux = max disk usage exceeded error.

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