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I finally did it! I installed Linux, Ubuntu 7.1.0, on a pc and am happily watching it run!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!
An over 20 year dedicated Windows guy got it working!!!
What I did was download Ubuntu from thier site and then over at Rosetta@Home, http://boinc.bakerlabs.org/rosetta/forums/forum_thread.php?id=3936

Sorry for the extra long link, there is a step by step on how to install Boinc under Ubuntu. The first time I had to muddle thru because it was/is for a previous version of Ubuntu. But the basics are there and since I did it, so can anyone else.

Anyway on to another try with another pc: I have now installed Ubuntu on another pc! It went MUCH easier, I did the 196 recommended updates this time and Boinc showed up in the search box this time! It is happily running and I am a very happy camper! This MAY even become a trend!!! Need to figure out a few things first though before I go whole hog.

A couple of questions: whenever the machine reboots, auto upgrades I am guessing, I need to plug in the monitor cable and manually restart Boinc. Anyone have a step by step for auotstarting Boinc in Ubuntu? Maybe even turning off the auto updates too? The machine does nothing but run Boinc, updates are not needed. I have a bunch of Windows machines that I am also hesitant to update for the same reasons, why mess with a good thing?!
One more question, how do you make Wine work with a Windows program?

Remember I have had Linux running for a week straight this time and have no clue about the hows and or whys! So a step by step for any or all of the above questions would be much appreciated.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux.

I\'ve not used *buntu extensively. I like Fedora better :-)

But if you\'ve installed from the package manager, it might already be set up to start at boot. I don\'t know that Debian is set up the same way as RedHat, but you can look in /etc/rc5.d and see if there is anything BOINC related in there.

Eric has a nice page on setting up BOINC to run as a daemon here. I followed instructions similar to those and did fine with it. I was a total noob who was terrified of the command line. If I could do it, anyone can do it. (server seems to be down at the moment)


I can\'t help much on the autoupdate stuff. I run mine manually. But I\'ve never been prompted for a reboot. Usually I will if there was a kernel update. Otherwise, you really only need to restart the apps that got updated. However, sometimes there are so many (or I don\'t want to figure out which daemon needs restarted) I reboot.
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I finally did it! I installed Linux, Ubuntu 7.1.0, on a pc and am happily watching it run!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!
An over 20 year dedicated Windows guy got it working!!!

Well done! I\'m game to travel this road with you. I have some years of unix/linux knowledge, but I\'m still learning every day, especially with ubuntu. :)
What I did was download Ubuntu from thier site and then over at Rosetta@Home, http://boinc.bakerlabs.org/rosetta/forums/forum_thread.php?id=3936

I had a little difficulty following this url. There\'s a small typo, but even after correcting it, I couldn\'t get to the thread, so I went to the message boards and searched for \'ubuntu\' which listed the thread you linked to.
FWIW, here\'s the url again: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=3936#51205
I know it\'s not that much different. <shrug>

... I did the 196 recommended updates this time ...

If you\'re planning on having more than one ubuntu box, then I find \'apt-cacher\' an absolute bandwidth saver. We can discuss this further in detail, but briefly, it allows one of your boxes to cache all the downloaded updates. The other boxes get their updates from the cache, instead of each one downloading the same updates from the web. Something similar to WSUS in the Microsoft world.

A couple of questions: whenever the machine reboots, auto upgrades I am guessing, I need to plug in the monitor cable and manually restart Boinc.

I may not be understanding this correctly, but if you are saying that the box is rebooting of its own accord, then this doesn\'t seem like normal behaviour. Something may be unhappy, as ubuntu doesn\'t generally reboot unless instructed to do so by the user. Also I haven\'t seen one auto upgrade either, but I guess its possible. Out of the box, it should check for updates daily, but not automatically install them.

Anyone have a step by step for auotstarting Boinc in Ubuntu?

You need to edit a file (/etc/default/boinc-client) and change the setting ENABLED=0 to ENABLED=1
You have to edit this file using the super user account. There\'s probably an easy way to do this from the graphical environment (anyone else can chip in here), but unfortunately I don\'t know it as I am most comfortable in the terminal.
Open the terminal (Accessories->terminal) and in the terminal window type:
gksu gedit /etc/default/boinc-client
You will be asked for the administrative password and then the file will open for editing.

Maybe even turning off the auto updates too? The machine does nothing but run Boinc, updates are not needed.

You can do this, but generally its a good thing to keep the systems up to date.
Open the software sources dialog (System->Administration->Software Sources) and navigate to the Updates tab. There you can decide when to check for updates and disable the check if desired. FWIW, mine is set to Only notify about available updates, if your machine is auto-updating, then maybe its setting is Install security updates without confirmation?

One more question, how do you make Wine work with a Windows program?

Never needed to , but it\'s probably not too difficult. The ubuntu documentation site is a phenomenal resource of information. Just type wine in search area and press the titles button. On the results page, click on the wine option and you\'ll see a fairly comprehensive explanation of what to do.

Remember I have had Linux running for a week straight this time and have no clue about the hows and or whys! So a step by step for any or all of the above questions would be much appreciated.

Have no fear, you\'ll soon be a pro!

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Here\'s a handy Ubuntu resource.
full circle magazine

Full of very useful tips for the new Ubuntu user. Visit the download section and start reading from Issue 0.

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[quote]I finally did it! I installed Linux, Ubuntu 7.1.0, on a pc and am happily watching it run!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!
An over 20 year dedicated Windows guy got it working!!!

[quote]Well done! I\'m game to travel this road with you. I have some years of unix/linux knowledge, but I\'m still learning every day, especially with ubuntu.:)
[quote]What I did was download Ubuntu from thier site and then over at Rosetta@Home, http://boinc.bakerlabs.org/rosetta/forums/forum_thread.php?id=3936

I had a little difficulty following this url. There\'s a small typo, but even after correcting it, I couldn\'t get to the thread, so I went to the message boards and searched for \'ubuntu\' which listed the thread you linked to.
FWIW, here\'s the url again: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=3936#51205
I know it\'s not that much different. <shrug>

Thank you!

... I did the 196 recommended updates this time ...

If you\'re planning on having more than one ubuntu box, then I find \'apt-cacher\' an absolute bandwidth saver. We can discuss this further in detail, but briefly, it allows one of your boxes to cache all the downloaded updates. The other boxes get their updates from the cache, instead of each one downloading the same updates from the web. Something similar to WSUS in the Microsoft world.

I am not sure that would be helpful yet, but I will keep it in mind as I go forward.

A couple of questions: whenever the machine reboots, auto upgrades I am guessing, I need to plug in the monitor cable and manually restart Boinc.

I may not be understanding this correctly, but if you are saying that the box is rebooting of its own accord, then this doesn\'t seem like normal behaviour. Something may be unhappy, as ubuntu doesn\'t generally reboot unless instructed to do so by the user. Also I haven\'t seen one auto upgrade either, but I guess its possible. Out of the box, it should check for updates daily, but not automatically install them.

I don\'t know either but several times I have checked the 1st installation and it was running but I had to check the Project before I could click update. That usually means either the program or the pc has restarted.

Anyone have a step by step for auotstarting Boinc in Ubuntu?

You need to edit a file (/etc/default/boinc-client) and change the setting ENABLED=0 to ENABLED=1

Done thank you!

Maybe even turning off the auto updates too? The machine does nothing but run Boinc, updates are not needed.

You can do this, but generally its a good thing to keep the systems up to date.
Open the software sources dialog (System->Administration->Software Sources) and navigate to the Updates tab. There you can decide when to check for updates and disable the check if desired. FWIW, mine is set to Only notify about available updates, if your machine is auto-updating, then maybe its setting is Install security updates without confirmation?

I set this like yours but not to check daily but only once every 2 weeks.

One more question, how do you make Wine work with a Windows program?

Never needed to , but it\'s probably not too difficult. The ubuntu documentation site is a phenomenal resource of information. Just type wine in search area and press the titles button. On the results page, click on the wine option and you\'ll see a fairly comprehensive explanation of what to do.

This may be a later on thing, I use a small program called RAdmin to monitor all my Windows machines from one pc on my network. I would like to add the Linux machines to that capability.

Remember I have had Linux running for a week straight this time and have no clue about the hows and or whys! So a step by step for any or all of the above questions would be much appreciated.

Have no fear, you\'ll soon be a pro!

With your help I will become better, but \"pro\", not in the near future anyway.
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If you want to run BOINC in a farm/headless type Ubuntu setup, which I think will appeal to you, then I would suggest an Ubuntu server install.
The upside is that it can easily become a set and forget operation. If you can protect the farm boxes via some kind of firewall, then you can probably relax on the updates too.
The downside is that there\'s no gui interface to manage OS things, so a little command line familiarity is necessary to set things up. Once everything is running tho, you can use a BOINC manager to keep tabs on things, because that\'s all you\'re really worried about. This presupposes that you\'ve enough disk space and don\'t need to manage it, which is the norm in this day and age.

BTW, have you tried changing prefs on your ubuntu box remotely from a manager? I found that I had a problem (can\'t remember which version tho) because of incorrect permissions on the prefs_override and associated files. In case you do have this problem, just do the following in a terminal:
sudo chown boinc:boinc /etc/boinc-client/*
IIRC the files are installed owned by root, with group boinc and their individual group permissions are not read/write.
The command above changes ownership and group to the boinc user, which is created when you install boinc from the repositories (i.e. via synaptic manager)

You\'ll likely need to edit the gui_rpc_auth.cfg and remote_hosts.cfg files to allow remote management. These files are found in /etc/boinc-client and you can edit them using the same command as the one used to edit the boinc defaults file discussed previously.
i.e. in a terminal: gksu gedit /path/to/file/filename

Once you\'ve set those up, remote management should be a breeze and you wouldn\'t even know your boinc client is running on a *nix box. :)

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I have noticed it has taken a VERY long time for my 2 Linux machines to get up to speed on the RAC. I JUST put a new Windows machine, actually I revived an old one, and it has taken less than a week ofr the RAC to come up above 100 and quickly heading for the 200\'s. The 2 Linux machines are very similar in cpu and memory and it took more than a month. I wonder if this is due to a lack of Linux users here at Malaria. Just not many of us crunching units? Or if Linux is just slower in this regard.
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Or if Linux is just slower in this regard.

I would have to admit that I have the same perception, being windows gets better RAC than linux, but I can\'t quantify it because my windows boxes are 32bit and linux boxes are 64bit, so I\'m comparing apples and oranges.

Can you do a definitive test, with equivalent hardware, OS and BOINC version to get an accurate result? Sadly, I can\'t.

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Or if Linux is just slower in this regard.

I would have to admit that I have the same perception, being windows gets better RAC than linux, but I can\'t quantify it because my windows boxes are 32bit and linux boxes are 64bit, so I\'m comparing apples and oranges.

Can you do a definitive test, with equivalent hardware, OS and BOINC version to get an accurate result? Sadly, I can\'t.


Here are some stats:
http://www.allprojectstats.com/show.php?projekt=0&id=2943712

http://www.allprojectstats.com/show.php?projekt=0&id=2985506

the 2 above are Linux machines, the next couple will be Windows machines.

http://www.allprojectstats.com/show.php?projekt=0&id=3070717

http://www.allprojectstats.com/show.php?projekt=0&id=2480710

ALL are basically 2.4ghz cpus, I think all are Intel too. One, the first Windows one is a Celeron!
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It has been awhile since anything happened so i thought I would post something as an update. I have 2 machines running Linux and both are still doing fine. Both are 2.4ish ghz machines, one ahs 1 gig of ram one has 328 meg of ram. The one with the samller amount of memory is not producing as much RAC as the one with more memory. Just the other day I upgraded the one with one gig of ram to version 8.04 of Ubuntu. I did it thru the update icon and all went very well, it took about an hour and it even upgraded Boinc to the latest version along with Ubuntu. I still have not figured out how to use my Radmin program to remotely log into the pc, but while upgrading I did see, in the networking stuff, a way to use VNC to remotely view the computer. A friend at work said Samba may do it, I have not tried that yet. In fact I have not tried anything yet, I just walk down to the basement and do it manually!

It has not been a bad experience with Linux, quite the opposite in fact. It is much better and after finding the directions on Rosetta it was quite easy. I am not sure I will add more Linux boxes right now, I need to solve the Radmin issue or find a way around it. But YES in the future I will be adding, or even switching, more Linux boxes and moving away from Windows for lots of my Boinc machines. My next step may be to put it on a dual or even quad core machine, I need to get a new one first, and see how that goes. I do not expect any problems, I just need to take that step before I fell even more comfortable using Linux.

I do not think I will ever get away from Windows entirely, I have just used it too long, from the old DOS days, and I can make it do what I want it to do. We also use it at work and I need to keep my skills up so I can provide limited tech support to those users that ask me instead of our IT people for help.
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Okay I updated one of my pc\'s to version 8.04 and it ran fine for about a week and then CRASHED!!!! It is not running any OPT units just the standard WU\'s. ALL the units went as computation errors and the machine stopped communicating with the net and then the software stopped talking to itself and I had to restart the pc. I JUST did that and will keep an eye on it!
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My slow-but-sturdy PC has been running Ubuntu for some time now, using the version of BOINC installed by Synaptic (currently 5.45). I upgraded to 8.04 last week and have been running the computer 24/7 to check stability; it\'s been rock solid.

However, I\'ve had to program the tracker only to run when I\'m not using the machine, as it tends to slow everything down horribly every now and then (usually when I\'m fighting a particularly nasty group of high-level monsters ^^).

I have noticed occasional malariacontrol.beta units ending with computation errors, but this was already happening before I upgraded to 8.04. Unfortunately I can\'t make out which app this might be.
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Okay I updated one of my pc\'s to version 8.04 and it ran fine for about a week and then CRASHED!!!!

ooh, not so good. :(
I have only just downloaded 8.04 and was going to play around with it a bit in a vm environment before attempting any upgrades, so I can\'t offer any useful ideas yet.

Maybe check through files /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog for some clues? That\'s usually where critical errors and so forth get written. There are some other log files in the same directory (/var/log/) that may have some pointers too.

The files there also rotate, meaning that they get compressed and numbered ascending with newest always being the lowest number. This is so that they don\'t grow too large over time. Compare the date of the crash and the dates of the files to determine which one may contain the clues.

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The pc that was updated is still doing fine, as is the one I did not update. I don\'t see any change in RAC between pre and post upgrade so probably will not upgrade the second machine. If it doesn\'t run any better, what is the point. Both machines are Boinc only machines anyway.
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I got a $400.00 electric bill the other day and my wife hinted that some machines have to go away. I told her to stop buying camera stuff for a hobby that is costing us thousands a year just in camera bodies and lenses! She has her 2ND thousand dollar digital Cannon camera body! A D40, I think. It was actually $1300.00!!!! But who\'s quibbling! Anyway that all means that I will have to shutdown the two current Linux machines, possibly putting Linux, since it really did work well, on a machine that is currently giving me troubles with finding the 2nd of two cores. I did finally put Samba on both machines and it worked okay. I think there were some things I still need to work with, I couldn\'t figure out how to share the drive and/or folders on the Linux machines so I couldn\'t see anything on them besides the printer share. I was able to connect to a Windows machine from one of the Linux machines and transfer a file to the Linux machine with no trouble. I did not try to run the file, it was a Windows file and it may not have anyway. But it was a HUGE first step. In retrospect Linux IS hard for a dedicated Windows person to learn and use, but with all the help both \'out there\' on the net and in here, it was not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be! THANK YOU for all of your help! I will be shutting these two machines down, all the rest of my machines have Windows, but it does not mean that my Linux path is over. In the words of the Governator \"I will be back\"!
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I just wanted all to know where I am in regards to Linux...I am installing Ubuntu Linux on several machines but not Boinc. I am setting up some old machines for donations to the Foster Kids where I work. I have setup 10 so far, all older, slower machines that I do not wish to pay the electricity bill for any more. I do like the ease with which Ubuntu installs, I just put in the cd with DBAN, Derik's Boot And Nuke, http://www.dban.org/ to wipe the hard drive and then put the Linux cd in and tell it to install to the whole hard drive. The DBAN process takes longer than the Linux install! I do put network cards in all the machines, I have LOTS of spare parts laying around, and then do the latest updates to the machines. When all that is done I reboot it a couple of times, just to make sure it works fine, and then put it in the pile to take to work. I also give crt monitors and of course keyboards and mice too. I think it is a nice way to not fill the landfills with old junk. Now some pc's are not worth donating, those with proprietary plugs inside etc. Those do go to the landfill as I cannot put an upgraded motherboard and cpu in them. The lady in charge just does not want anything less than a 1.5ghz machine. I gave a couple to them for spare parts but they don't want any more.
Oh well that is the extent of my Linux trials and tribulations for now, I just wanted to update everyone on where I am. Happy crunching.
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Okay I, for now, have a Linux box back up. It is running Ubuntu 8.04 and is my old Intel dual core with HT on each core making the machine think it is a quad core. It is crunching 4 units, all at once, and SEEMS to be doing fine. I did the old Snaptics Update method and it download an older version of Boinc. I downloaded the newer version form Malaria and have the file on my desktop. I do not know exactly where Boinc is, but I did see some Boinc files in the \var directory. I would like to use the 64 bit version, I am using the 64 bit version of Ubuntu. This is my old main machine, I am in the process of upgrading to my new AMD true quad core machine. Several pc things involved, stopping the AMD and the Intel from getting new units, swapping the AMD quad core for an AMD dual core, putting the AMD quad core in a new board I just bought and setting up the Intel to crunch again but without 4 hard drives in it. I did firstly transfer all my data off the old drives to a new 500 gb Sata drive, so it should be faster and all the data will be in one place!!! The 160 gb Sata drive I am trying to use as my main drive in my new AMD quad core machine is giving me troubles!!!!!!! I have tried loading Windows 3 times and still no luck. I may end up with a 250 gb IDE drive in it.
I am also loading now the AMD dual core machine with Windows, I may switch it to Linux later on, but I needed to get it up and running quickly and, for me, Windows is easier!! The Intel is hooked up to ABC@home, as will be all my other multi core machines. Malaria is running out of things to look for and shut down the new account creations, so I thought I would move my multi core machines elsewhere so they could stay around longer.
I forgot.....I bent some pins when I put in the dual core AMD cpu and could NOT figure out why it would not work until I pulled it out and saw the damage!!!!!! I FORTUNATELY was able to straighten them back out, one was bent flat and several others were not straight, but the pc is now happily installing Windows!!!
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Okay ANOTHER update, for 2 days now I have been trying to get Windows to load on this new Asus mb and my AMD quad core cpu. I have been thru 3 hard drives and many, many reloads. I gave up and installed Ubuntu Linux 8.10 on it and it OF COURSE works just fine!!! I bought this mb to replace my main Windows machine and it seems it is a no go. I have no idea what is wrong, it just won't work. I replaced the power supply, the memory, the drive(s), the video card. No changing the OS FINALLY works!!! I thought maybe it was the bios but apparently not, hmmm!
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Okay ANOTHER update, for 2 days now I have been trying to get Windows to load on this new Asus mb and my AMD quad core cpu. I have been thru 3 hard drives and many, many reloads. I gave up and installed Ubuntu Linux 8.10 on it and it OF COURSE works just fine!!! I bought this mb to replace my main Windows machine and it seems it is a no go. I have no idea what is wrong, it just won't work.


Nothing is wrong, it's got Linux on it now and that's the right way :)

Seriously, maybe the Windows install disk is scratched or damaged some way? Does the Windows installer have a way to check and verify the files on the disk before you do the actual install?

I replaced the power supply, the memory, the drive(s), the video card. No changing the OS FINALLY works!!! I thought maybe it was the bios but apparently not, hmmm!


Could be the disk controller on the mobo or the cable. Cables can be very finicky. If there is a broken conductor they'll sometimes work if you bend the cable just the right way then won't work when the cable moves even a little later on. Maybe you moved the cable just the right way just before you installed Linux.

If it's not the Windows disk or a bad cable then you need to check every pin on every cable, every contact on every card, male side as well as female side, and get a magnifying glass and go over every inch of the mobo to see if there is a small piece of conductive debris laying across 2 pins on a chip. Debris sometimes gets lodged between the pins on the chips and other components. Hitting it with compressed air sometimes just pushes it deeper into the crevice it's trapped in which makes it harder to see and remove. Or maybe a piece of conductive debris stuck across 2 solder points. Check both sides of the mobo.

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Okay ANOTHER update, for 2 days now I have been trying to get Windows to load on this new Asus mb and my AMD quad core cpu. I have been thru 3 hard drives and many, many reloads. I gave up and installed Ubuntu Linux 8.10 on it and it OF COURSE works just fine!!! I bought this mb to replace my main Windows machine and it seems it is a no go. I have no idea what is wrong, it just won't work.


Nothing is wrong, it's got Linux on it now and that's the right way :)

Seriously, maybe the Windows install disk is scratched or damaged some way? Does the Windows installer have a way to check and verify the files on the disk before you do the actual install?

I replaced the power supply, the memory, the drive(s), the video card. No changing the OS FINALLY works!!! I thought maybe it was the bios but apparently not, hmmm!


Could be the disk controller on the mobo or the cable. Cables can be very finicky. If there is a broken conductor they'll sometimes work if you bend the cable just the right way then won't work when the cable moves even a little later on. Maybe you moved the cable just the right way just before you installed Linux.

If it's not the Windows disk or a bad cable then you need to check every pin on every cable, every contact on every card, male side as well as female side, and get a magnifying glass and go over every inch of the mobo to see if there is a small piece of conductive debris laying across 2 pins on a chip. Debris sometimes gets lodged between the pins on the chips and other components. Hitting it with compressed air sometimes just pushes it deeper into the crevice it's trapped in which makes it harder to see and remove. Or maybe a piece of conductive debris stuck across 2 solder points. Check both sides of the mobo.


The Windows disk is okay, the system loads, just after the files are all copied it reboots and then hangs forever and I have to push the button to restart it, then it will pick back up again and then the machine hangs for a very long time and I have to push the button etc, etc, etc. I actually got Windows fully loaded, twice, but when I clicked on a few random things it froze solid! That is when I gave up and loaded Linux. I even used DBAN on the hard drive, twice, just to make sure nothing was causing any problems from old data. DBAN is a drive wiper available at http://www.dban.org. I use it all the time before I donate machines.
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Okay today is one of my days off and I am again trying to install Windows, I am using a generic copy and a 40gb drive I have laying around. It is down to the installing networks, etc, so it SHOULD finish okay. Before I did this I removed the extra video card and am now using the built-in one. I also made some other changes in the Bios, I turned off Express Gate and the virtualization mode along with a couple of other tweaks. It has been this far before but never so seemingly easily. I will update more after it is up and running. IF it works I will go back to the Linux disk and finish the existing units but not get any new ones. Then I will come back and reboot with the Windows disk and then let it run for a few days and then redo the whole thing with the 160gb Sata drive I REALLY want as my main drive. Linux is on the drive now.

Okay Windows is up and running just fine and I am loading the drivers off the mb cd. Seems like the Bios tweaks worked and I will now go thru the process to put Windows back on this machine. This is my AMD quad core machine, my Intel dual core that thinks it is a quad core was upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10 this morning with NO problems. In fact Boinc was even auto updated in the process!!! Everything works fine and it is just screaming along just fine!
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...my Intel dual core that thinks it is a quad core was upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10 this morning with NO problems. In fact Boinc was even auto updated in the process!!! Everything works fine and it is just screaming along just fine!


Glad to hear you fixed the problems you were having with Windows, Good work :)

Just curious, which version of BOINC did Ubuntu auto update to?


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...my Intel dual core that thinks it is a quad core was upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10 this morning with NO problems. In fact Boinc was even auto updated in the process!!! Everything works fine and it is just screaming along just fine!


Glad to hear you fixed the problems you were having with Windows, Good work :)

Just curious, which version of BOINC did Ubuntu auto update to?


It went from 5.10.45 to 6.2.12. It was pretty cool, nothing on my part was done to tell it to do it, it just did it.

And Windows crashed! I am now hoping it was a bad drive, I tend to re-use drives alot. This machine may end up just being a Linux machine and therefore a Boinc only machine yet!
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It went from 5.10.45 to 6.2.12. It was pretty cool, nothing on my part was done to tell it to do it, it just did it.

+1 for ubuntu. :)

And Windows crashed! I am now hoping it was a bad drive, I tend to re-use drives alot. This machine may end up just being a Linux machine and therefore a Boinc only machine yet!

You see, this is the problem with linux these days. It works so well, people don't get enough experience in reloading it. ;)

But seriously now, glad to see that you're still giving linux a whirl.

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It went from 5.10.45 to 6.2.12. It was pretty cool, nothing on my part was done to tell it to do it, it just did it.

+1 for ubuntu. :)

And Windows crashed! I am now hoping it was a bad drive, I tend to re-use drives alot. This machine may end up just being a Linux machine and therefore a Boinc only machine yet!

You see, this is the problem with linux these days. It works so well, people don't get enough experience in reloading it. ;)

But seriously now, glad to see that you're still giving linux a whirl.

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Oh yeah, I think my Intel will just stay Linux until I finally replace it several years from now. I have a friend at work that is a Linux guy and he gave me a new thing to try and get the thing on my local network with a non standard name. I will try that Thursday or Friday this week, since I am off and can give the time. After that and a bit of configuring I should be able to see it from my windows machines and vice-versa.

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Okay just an update...I have decided to let my two Linux machines stay that way. I now have both running Ubuntu and they are both running just fine with no intervention on my part. In fact...the dual core with HT on each core that thinks it is a quad core, is out performing the AMD true quad core!!! I would have thought the true quad core would be MUCH faster but evidently not.
Here is a link to each:
first the Intel
http://abcathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=65041

now the AMD
http://abcathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=65177

Any ideas thoughts as to why? Both are running the same memory and the same version of Ubuntu. Obviously different mb's but the Intel is NOT a true quad core! On top of that it is 3 years older!!! True the Intel's clock speed is faster, but it is using each of its 2 cores to run 2 units at the same time!!
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Okay another update....nothing has changed, the machines just crunch along with no effort from me at all. Most of the time I just see them in the stats, near the top of course, and am not even encouraged to try and do anything to them. The Intel is still near the very top, even though it is a dual core with HT on each core to make it think it is a quad core. It is over 3 years old so is the old HT technology, not the new stuff. It even out preforms, most days, an AMD 9850 Phenom TRUE quad core!!!! The Intel is still running 800mhz memory but can take 1066mhz memory. The AMD was recently upgraded to the 1066 memory and it didn't seem to to make any difference. I have a new AMD 9850 Phenom true quad core machine, running Windows7 Beta. I will keep an eye on its performance and see if it out performs the Linux machine. The new one also has the 800mhz memory, the 1066 the store had wouldn't work.
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Tine for another update....I am having troubles getting my Windows machines to download the mini-rosetta 1.54 application. It gets to 82% and just stops, WILL NOT go any further. Hence all my Windows machines are onto another project. 8-(((

So I had a thought....why not try it on a Linux machine and see if that works, well it did! I now have one Linux machine crunching happily for Rosetta! I have no clue why it works for Linux and not for Windows, for me, but it does and I am happy about it! NO I am not moving all my Windows machines to Linux but it does give me some ideas.
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Okay I have pretty much standardized my Linux installations and can do it in under an hour from a wiped disk to up and running. The only problem I am having is that I still don't know/remember how to use the newer versions of Boinc. I am using the update manager to find Boinc and install it that way, and it works fine. I would just like to use the newer versions of Boinc. I guess my question is I know there is a cmd line way to do it, I just don't know what that is. OR is there a different update location other than the built in one that I could use? I think I would like to try the alternative update location first since there is more other things I might find that I like. I now have Linux on my laptop I am typing this on, my wife wants to buy a netbook with part of our tax return this year and the Linux based ones are much cheaper than the Windows based ones, they also come with more memory built-in. Linux is slowly getting easier, I am wireless on the laptop and obviously it works fine. Networking is coming along slowly too, I still have a few things I haven't figured out how to do, I think I am a little too unique sometimes!
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Glad to see things are still going so well. :)

Regarding the cmd line install, have a look at the BOINC docs: Installing on Linux.

It's not very detailed (more focus is given to package based installs, probably as they're more standardised and likely to work with less fuss), but I guess it's a start.

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Glad to see things are still going so well. :)

Regarding the cmd line install, have a look at the BOINC docs: Installing on Linux.

It's not very detailed (more focus is given to package based installs, probably as they're more standardised and likely to work with less fuss), but I guess it's a start.


Hey Chris, nice to see you are still following my trials and tribulations, thanks for the link I am reading it now to see if I can figure it out! How are you doing, okay I hope?
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Glad to see things are still going so well. :)

Regarding the cmd line install, have a look at the BOINC docs: Installing on Linux.

It's not very detailed (more focus is given to package based installs, probably as they're more standardised and likely to work with less fuss), but I guess it's a start.


Hey Chris, nice to see you are still following my trials and tribulations, thanks for the link I am reading it now to see if I can figure it out! How are you doing, okay I hope?


I found in Ubuntu that there is a Sessions link under System and then Preferences, this takes me to the Startup Folder. I am trying something on my machines now....I put a link to start Boinc on the desktop and then put that link in the Startup Folder. Hopefully now when the machine restarts, Boinc will start too! Kind of how Windows does it, so I hope it works.
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nice to see you are still following my trials and tribulations
Of course! Just checking in now and again to make sure you haven't hit some insurmountable hurdle. :)
How are you doing, okay I hope?

Doing ok thanks. Not contributing so much BOINC-wise these days, except for cobblestones. The system is nice and stable, unless you hang out on the bleeding edge, so I just let my boxes run. ;)

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nice to see you are still following my trials and tribulations
Of course! Just checking in now and again to make sure you haven't hit some insurmountable hurdle. :)
How are you doing, okay I hope?

Doing ok thanks. Not contributing so much BOINC-wise these days, except for cobblestones. The system is nice and stable, unless you hang out on the bleeding edge, so I just let my boxes run. ;)


Glad to hear it, keep up the good work and remember 'keep on crunching'!

As for my putting Boinc in the startup folder in Ubuntu and it auto running on startup, not happening! I mean I put it in the folder and all that, it just doesn't auto run that way. I guess that means I am back to Google to find the answer. 8-((
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Well today may be the last day for me and Linux here for a bit, at least for crunching. My last machine that has Linux on it crashed the other day and since I am off today I need to figure out what is wrong. I am guessing it is the hard drive, I tend to re-use them from other peoples machines after they replaced them due to a crash. I run Spinrite on them, which does a good job of fixing them, and then I put them in Boinc only machines. This drive has been running fine for over a year now and I think it has just had enough. Anyway since I have to reload the OS anyway, I will try the new windows7 64 bit on the machine. I already have 2 Windows7 32 bit machines running and I LOVE it!!! I am DEFINITELY upgrading when it comes out!!! I may end up back on Linux because the is my 3.2ghz dual core Intel machine with HT on each core making it think it is a quad core machine. When I put WinXP Pro on the machine it would not do the HT, no way, no how!! So I tried the Linux and it worked 1st time no problems at all!!! I do have Linux running on an older laptop and I do like it, it only has 512 meg of ram but runs just fine. I even made my wife use it for a week or so and she liked it too! I am not ready to go whole hog Linux but thanks to all of your guys help I now feel fairly confident I can get Linux up and running on almost any machine right now!! I am FAR FAR FAR from a Linux expert, but as a beginner I do like it!!
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Okay I am trying again!!! I took Windows7 off a pc, it was a Beta anyway, and put 64 bit Ubuntu on it. Under win7 it was doing a unit in 3 1/2 hours, now under Linux it is taking SIGNIFICANTLY longer, like in the 36 hour range!! I had hoped to get more credits and do more work under the 64 bit version but the pc is soooo slow it is not worth it! I will try the 32 bit version of Linux this weekend and see if it is any better! The pc is an Intel dual core 2.66ghz with an L2 cache of 512k and a 533mhz front side bus. It has always been slow but it is REALLY slow now!!

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Under win7 it was doing a unit in 3 1/2 hours, now under Linux it is taking SIGNIFICANTLY longer, like in the 36 hour range!!


Hi Mikey,

this is strange. Do

# cat /proc/cpuinfo

to check CPU clock.

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Under win7 it was doing a unit in 3 1/2 hours, now under Linux it is taking SIGNIFICANTLY longer, like in the 36 hour range!!


Hi Mikey,

this is strange. Do

# cat /proc/cpuinfo

to check CPU clock.

Michael


It is okay, I think that is exactly what it was, but I have already reformatted the drive to Windows7 and am crunching with it again.

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